I don't know why funding is still flowing to those activities because I don't know any thinking person that believes that they're really actually advancing the cause. They might be a good outlet for people's emotions. And in fact, I think now that it is working against an incredibly complicated undertaking. Changing the molecules is immensely complicated and requires massive shifts in how we view global energy infrastructure. Yeah. There's things that government can do to help enable it and incentivize it and such. But if the way you look at this is that we have to change the electrons, the molecules and the proteins, basically.
The Sunday Times’ tech correspondent brings on Trevor Neilson, founder of startup Wastefuel and the Climate Emergency Fund, to talk about how he helped launch and finance Extinction Rebellion (XR) (4:50), how the Malibu wildfires inspired him to act (8:20), meeting Roger Hallam, founder of XR and Just Stop Oil (16:00), bankrolling protestors (18:00), why he thinks the movement has gone off the rails (22:50), whether he is worried about what his former colleagues will think (32:00), how XR has experimented with changing tactics (40:30), where and how he grew up (43:30), getting a job at the White House (46:30), working with Bono on AIDS (50:00), starting his own company (55:00), why he does not think we will meet the 1.5 degree goal (58:10), telling the truth (1:09:00), and the children suing Montana (1:11:50)
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