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398: I Thought About the Ultra, Then I Laughed
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upgrade episode 398 is brought to you this week by bombus, new relic and memberful im. John syracusa joins the show as a special guest co host because he's not on enough podcast,. i thought. This is a big week for a mack stuff. And my daughter likes it because there's just a little bit of irony that but the irony breaks down when you're listening to soft, easy listening rock from the seventies and eighties. It's power what labels can do. They can take that unusable, old e soft rock, and you slap a label that sas yacht rock on it, and people are like, what? I like yachts.
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