Celestia is kind of a weird L1 in the sense that what kind of like more B2B than B2C? Okay. But Celestia as a DA, I think in many cases, well, like ideally, it should be abstracted the way because it should be like magic at the end of the day. Like if you're an application developer, there was a quote about this on Twitter or someone said: Jimmy Hendricks does not need to understand how to build a guitar to play the guitar. So it's kind of the same thing with rollup application developers shouldn't have to be protocol developers to create the application. The end goal is to be like magic.

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