Peter Principle and misaligned incentives

Welcome to episode #1011 of Thinking With Mitch Joel (formerly Six Pixels of Separation).

We tend to romanticize leadership as an act of personal brilliance, but the deeper story is often about the people who understand what truly moves human beings toward one another. Jon Levy has built a career around that question. A renowned human behavioral scientist, consultant and creator of the long-running Influencers Dinner - a global, invitation-only experiment where guests cook together anonymously to dissolve status cues and foster authentic connection - Jon has spent over fifteen years studying why people bond, collaborate and trust. His work has brought Olympians, Nobel laureates, astronauts, CEOs, creators, and even political leaders into the same kitchen, all guided by his curiosity about what helps human beings unlock their best collective instincts. Jon is also the author of The 2 AM Principle and You're Invited, books that explore adventure, belonging, and the science of human connection. His newest book, Team Intelligence - How Brilliant Leaders Unlock Collective Genius, extends this exploration into the workplace, challenging long-held assumptions about leadership, performance, and why great teams succeed. In this conversation, Jon talks through the surprising behaviors that shape genuine relationships, the role anonymity plays in reducing status pressure, the misconceptions organizations hold about star performers, the importance of emotional intelligence, and why bonus structures often undermine collaboration. He touches on the future of hybrid work, the psychology of status, the gap between individual excellence and team effectiveness, and the small but essential habits that allow groups to think more clearly and solve problems more intelligently. Above all, the discussion offers a window into the mind of someone who has spent his career studying how people come together, and how leaders can create the conditions for teams to do their best thinking. Enjoy the conversation…

• Running time: 55:34.
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Chapters:

(00:00) - Introduction to John Levy and His Unique Dinners. (02:54) - The Art of Inviting Extraordinary Guests. (06:07) - The Power of Anonymity in Social Interactions. (09:04) - The Impact of Status on Connections. (11:59) - Exploring Team Dynamics and Human Connection. (14:28) - The Future of Work and Employee Expectations. (17:39) - Rethinking Leadership and Team Intelligence. (20:27) - The Role of Emotional Intelligence in Teams. (23:10) - Challenging Conventional Wisdom on Talent. (26:13) - The Importance of Emotional Intelligence in Team Success. (29:48) - The Allure of Status and Leadership. (31:43) - Lessons from the Military and Sports. (33:37) - Understanding Team Dynamics and Player Contributions. (36:19) - The Role of Glue Players in Team Success. (40:32) - The Nature of Team Intelligence. (44:35) - The Impact of Corporate Structures on Teamwork. (52:08) - The Future of Team Intelligence in the Age of AI.