Dismantling DEI: Fear and Loyalty in Government

This week, President Trump has banned diversity, equity and inclusion programming in the federal government, punished former aides by taking away their security detail and celebrated the release of hundreds of Jan. 6, 2021, rioters and planners.

The New York Times journalists Michael Barbaro, Maggie Haberman, Zolan Kanno-Youngs and David E. Sanger try to make sense of it all.

Guests: 

• Maggie Haberman, a senior political correspondent for The New York Times.
• Zolan Kanno-Youngs, a White House correspondent for The New York Times.
• David E. Sanger, a White House and National Security Correspondent for The New York Times.

Background reading: 

• Mr. Trump’s D.E.I. order creates “fear and confusion” among corporate leaders.
• The president revoked the security detail for Mike Pompeo and others despite threats from Iran.
• Mr. Trump granted sweeping clemency to all Jan. 6 rioters.

For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday. 

Photo: Doug Mills/The New York Times

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