Oil producers' stance and behind-the-scenes shifts

COP30 in Belém is over. What happened at the conference? What were the main outcomes? And what needs to happen next?

To find out, Anna speaks to Jennifer Morgan (Senior Fellow at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University; Fellow at the Hertie School of Governance; and former State Secretary and Special Envoy for International Climate Action at the German Federal Foreign Office) and David Waskow (Director for the International Climate Initiative at the World Resources Institute).