"I'm not proud of this. But okay, when I say like knives came out, it didn't mean they were pulled on me," he said. "So sooner or later, I was going to end up killing somebody or getting killed or in jail." He paid Mike Menser $100 to coach him and give him a program. Now you're still with some regularity talking on the phone to this therapist every week. It sounds like a very orthogonal moment. 100%. That's an experience I do not want again!"

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