Simon Watley: Water mapping comes with so many aspects. It's sometimes easier to grasp, but that's my personal perspective. I guess it takes a while until you understand the beauty of water mapping. And also, when you apply this, I wish everyone could start from scratch. Everything is new. Even you're just starting a business. You don't have any system. But in the real life, when you go to an organization, I'm sure they all have legacy. They have an organization structure already. So how do you see them could easily change based on all these views that you're giving them? Because changing teams probably is easy. Changing software is also that easy. In

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