The President's Openness to the Military Justice System

John Avlon: There have been some things that have happened behind closed doors that we only know about, because later they ended up in the press. And I think that's Don's point, which is that if all this is happening out in the open and we can debate what the effectiveness of that is, what's happening behind closed doors? Avlon: We do have people in the White House at lower levels and at the Justice Department who are trying to continue these norms. But it's very difficult when the President of the United States continues to break them.