this is absolutely understandable okay yeah that makes sense that's a good way um i was gonna wait to ask this question but matt mentioned that you uh matt maruka mentioned that you were into frequency uh studying frequencies and that led you to the study of light and i've been playing around i just bought 100 acres and it's a underground bunker that i'm building out i'll be living inside of by next winter and part of is an underground pyramid with really cool acoustics so i brought singing bowls in there seven singing bowls and i've been playing them and after you stop playing the bowl it just reverberates for a good 45 seconds afterwards and i always sleep better after even doing it for 10 or 15 minutes my sleep that night is improved and uh i was really curious your thoughts on uh on that i guess it would be sound therapy but specifically that i don't know if you've had experience with the quartz singing bowls um are they just resonating different tissues kind of how i think about it on how it's yeah

i think the the the resonance point of view um is a very interesting one because it kind of opens all the different doors uh talking about photobiology, we are talking about resonance on a photonic frequency level. But what you can feel, for example, the frequencies, the sizes of the frequency, of color light, they match the distances and sizes inside the cells. And the sizes of the wavelengths you can experience by singing bowls. They match organs, they match parts of your physical body of the higher hierarchy. And so I'm experimenting with frequencies since decades in the meantime, starting with the brainwave frequencies, I developed a device, Brain Man, in the late 1980s and early 1990s. It was already existing and approved and I was kind of experimenting with brainwave frequencies. I just confronted myself with Schumann resonance, with alpha frequencies attuned to the rotating earth and so on. A kind of cosmic tuning fork for your brainwaves, but the next step was using the singing bowls. But finally, I found out, for example, in treating my grandmother, she suffered from bronchitis and my four kilogram singing bowl was just a bit too heavy to have it on her chest. So I started to invent and investigate first and then invent sound massage tables where you can play all kind of music you want to play and experience this like you would sit or lie in a large singing bowl. But this is much more versatile than the singing bowls. You can add it or combine it with physiotherapy, with massage and so on. But when you lay upon this sound table or when you are in your bunker where you have kind of focused surround experience of the sensible frequencies and low frequencies, your full body experiences what your cell experiences when exposed to differently colored light. This is the kind of picture I think it's very, you can kind of experience what frequencies can do with your body on this large wavelength level. So it's interesting because the lowest frequencies, the sounds, for example, the bass frequencies, they resonate with our intestines and with our muscles. And the light frequencies, they resonate with our cells and the compartments inside our cells. So it kind of covers the whole electromagnetic spectrum from very low frequencies to very high frequencies. And this is a kind of very comprehensive and holistic combination so i would recommend to take some colored light with you into into your frequency bunker to improve and increase the intensity and and yeah yeah i

was talking to matt about it and i definitely want to have either i think they're called sconces at eye level or have along the floor lighting so instead of overhead lighting since i'm starting from scratch like it'll be cool to do it right but i was looking at for daytime doing uh skylights like uh they make like tunnels where the light comes in and then it kind of diffracts out the bottom in a wide spread so to light hallways and rooms and stuff when the sun or moon lights out um but yeah it'd be a fun project for sure i'm people ask me you know do you think the world's gonna end why are you building a bunker and saying, no, it's to improve my sleep because I don't know how to describe it yet. Exactly. Scientifically, I think you just kind of started to with the frequencies, but sleeping underground, you're, I mean, is it like super grounding? Because I've been grounding since 2010 with like a rod to the earth with a bed sheet but this is i mean it's different you're getting more ambient so magnetism one thing i i could imagine

that you uh kind of um seglued uh or shield yourself from all this surface radiation, cell phone frequencies and all these things. How many bars do you have on your smartphone when you're in your bunker?

Zero currently. I mean, I'm going to either hardwire to put wi-fi in there and then turn it off at night that's what i do here i have wi-fi and then i goes to sleep at night um but yeah that that's a great point i mean up here there's so many dead zones in the forest i mean it's uh it's 130 acres to myself so it's very spread out from other buildings and stuff so i don't pick up other wi-fi or but but for example satellite signals

which which can be used are supposedly present and going down inside the bunker normally sheets your yourself from these man-made radiations, but also from the natural windows of radiation. So it's a good idea to crawl out of your bunker from time to time, I think on a regular basis so for probably for nighttime it's very good shielding yeah

and

for daytime i would expose myself to the natural environment above ground

yeah come out of hibernation no that the goal is not to make this too much of a tangent but i'm putting a bioceramic geodesic dome on top so there'd be a staircase going down into the bunker so during the daytime i could stay above ground in a dome and i just think one of the coolest parts is there's no wood so no carpenter ants can't eat my house and it's resilient to wildfires which can happen up here and so there's a lot of benefits you know protecting from natural disasters but also just longevity um you know concrete and ceramic lasts for a long time but yeah i kind of brought that up because I've looked at studies and I wanted to ask you about interesting studies that you've heard over the years, or, I mean, just experiments, not studies of people going underground and altering the light cycle. I can't remember the gentleman's name, but I remember decades ago, a guy went underground and his body adapted to, I think it was a longer day, just with only artificial lights. And I know that's really playing with fire when you isolate yourself like that. But I'm curious if you've looked

into... experiments in Andex in Germany, they made this experiment or trial with students who wanted to prepare themselves for an examination. this bunker where they had been shielded from from any communication with with the outer world and they could demonstrate that that the um the circadian rhythm kind of resembles the culmination period of the moon which is the same position of the Moon the next day, which is about 25 hours. And once they started to shield also the magnetic fields, the circadian rhythm became free running. So there was no synchronization signal left, which had been taken over by the moon as they removed the norm 24 hour cycle. I would have to look it up this study and I'm not even sure if it's published in English, but I'm

pretty sure that I have the German publication at hand. That'd be good for me to know moving into a bunker. Look at what people have done. Interesting. I wanted to ask you about sauna therapy because that is infrared light. And I think it's really beneficial for just detoxification in general, metals and compounds and synthetic compounds that we accumulate, bioretardants and different things. And I've tried incandescent light saunas. mostly i have experience with the black carbon emitters you know just the standard box saunas but living off grid like i have most of the last four years i've fell in love with the wood burning like traditional finish sauna where you have the rocks and you just pour water over and it's steam, but I actually have to build a fire below it. And I don't know if it's just the ritual, but that one makes me feel the best. And I like that it uses no electricity. So if the world ends, I could still sweat.

Yeah. And with all the electrical sonars, you automatically invite dirty electricity, because you don't really want to have the 60 hertz modulation on your heat or near-infrared or infrared B and C signals. but this is inevitably the case. I was in contact with someone who makes saunas, and I also investigated the option of running the emitters on direct current. This is not very common, it's kind of complicated. You have to put transformers into a cascade, kind of stacking them that you reach the 110-120 volts. So it's technically possible to do it, but it's not feasible because it's much more complicated to have a kind of DC power source, which is necessary to produce the amount or the dose, the radiation dose. And from that perspective, it's for sure the best to use fire in order to produce the heat. is not that easy because you have near-infrared zonas, you have luminous heat ray zonas as a synonymous expression. You have zonas with an emphasis on the infrared B. And for example, the Finnish saunas with these hot stones produce even longer wavelengths. And here we cross the border from photobiomodulation with the infrared to kind of mirror or purely surface-based stimulation, which causes your body to sweat because the heat is another. Heat can be compared with the erythema on the short wavelength part of the spectrum. This is used for sensing the UV part in the form of solar erythema and the tangible or feeble heat on the other side of the spectrum. and protection signal and this produces profuse sweating, which is the result of a superficial stimulation and connected reflex. the penetration depth of infrared b and infrared c is less than a millimeter compared to the penetration depth of a luminous heat rasona which is much much wider so you come into the depth several centimeters deep with infrared radiation, but only superficial on the top. But this causes the vegetative system to react in certain reflective or reflex patterns. just by a random occurrence that in the Baltic region where you have these long winters, they kind of replace the skin stimulation, which is not possible via sunlight, with the other end of the spectrum. keeps your both interventions keep your skin busy and prevent your skin from becoming lazy and so I think this is a good idea for winter time not to travel to the southern parts of the world where you have a lot of sunlight, which is not natural for those who have been born in the regions with clear seasons. the pure thermal simulation partly can replace the full spectrum stimulation we normally experience in summertime from solar exposure that's

awesome

yeah i definitely feel more drawn to to

the sauna in the winter and then in the summer i feel more drawn to jumping in the cold water because it just feels natural when it's 90 it gets up into the 90s up here in the summer for a month or so and so jumping in cold water feels amazing and that's kind of how i do it um i know some people cold plunge year-round i don't know your thoughts

I was not listening to your last sentence because my dog kind of starts becoming nervous. So she

could be sure. No, I could not know by that. That why I'll just go to that question then, because it's related to animals. so uh probably about i don't know 10 12 years ago i read a book called uh anti-aging by sang wang and he was talking about all these longevity strategies in the book but one of them was a section on infrared light and he talked about saunas but then he talked about sleeping next to somebody like uh having you know a partner increases your longevity because your infrared light and i don't know the physics behind it instead of just sending it out it's actually bouncing off the individual curious your thoughts if there's any validity to that and i sleep with uh my my black cat on my chest every morning he just crawls up on me and i get the purring effect but you know there's also the warmth um is there anything to that idea of the infrared um overnight when you're sleeping having a benefit if it's does it reflect off

another individual a human or a pet yeah for when i think back um let's let me probably 25 years ago in summertime i decided to shave my head to get rid of my hair. And the interesting thing is that I could sense people standing behind me, which I was not able to with my isolating or insulating hair before and so yes when sensitized you can feel the emission from people for example by removing the insulating layers which normally prevent you from from these sensations And I know that there were times, some very dark times in Germany in the 1940s, early 1940s, where they just submerged people, prisoners ice-cold water, and then they try to warm them up with living human bodies compared to just a standard electrical heating appliance. in fact, we are leaving the scientific realm definitely because I am not aware of recent research. But I have one presentation online, which is only available in in German, unfortunately. But in this presentation, I investigate the human laser, which is, for example, represented in your hands. in your skin, they are kind of upright standing, pointing to the outside. And the erythrocytes inside these capillaries, they could act as the etalon of a dye laser, a pigment laser. And the pigment laser is a tunable laser. When you change the dimension of the grid or the etalon, the wavelength changes.