The Man Behind the Illusion

David papen on plestia, helen steward on free willmongila mendelevici on thought and consciousness and sophy. Barritc one on philosophy, your science and philosophy of smell experience. And then we're just bucking up lots of guests. Four seasoned, threeis we'l have been doin it for a year, coming up to years,. my goodness. Ok, shall we get on with it then? Let's, let's,Let's do something serious. Well, sort of serious. We generally start off by asking our guests a few, genera, a few kind of general questions. How did you first start thinking about consciousness?