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Are You Governing According to Constitutional Norms?
I would certainly argue that when you get outside of Trump and you talk about the major governors, whether it's DeSantis or Youngkin or others, that these are people that actually on the governance issues day to day in their states are trying to be capable. They may have radically different political views than Newsome or Whitmer do in California and in Michigan, but they are to say that they are even worse than Trump. I think both antagonizes people that support them and also is overly filter bubble-ish in terms of everything has become just tribal and so that we're going to paint that together. That's a debate for another day.
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