The Struggle to Meet the Needs of the World That's Coming

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"Every single person that I'm talking to at the moment is saying enough is enough and I'm so ready for that" "My post-teen up on the door today and after she'd given the dog a biscuit as she does every day the dog loves her" "It takes such steel to say I just need to tell you something about my situation that's going to illuminate a world for you," says Emma Dabbari. We're taking a little break over the summer and replay some brilliant old episodes we're going to come back slightly different but still I think it'll be wonderful."

Welcome to the Wintering Sessions with Katherine May.

Producer Note: You'll notice a slight change in Katherine's audio in the second half of the podcast. This is just due to a necessary 'source switch', where we had to change where her recording was coming from. Your ears will adjust very quickly but apologies for the ever so slight dip. Thank you!

This week Katherine talks to Emma Dabiri, author of Don’t Touch My Hair and What White People Can Do Next.

What begins as a conversation about Emma’s new-found commitment to appreciating all the seasons - not just summer - becomes something else entirely. Emma is one of our most agile thinkers and fearless speakers, and soon she is talking about everything from race and class to how we should think about the world right now. A thread of belonging runs through it all - how we seek and find it, how complicated our identities have become, and why it matters.

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