I could definitely see where his sort of like willful optimism is almost like a coping mechanism. I think it was after it became clear and then like confronting it immediately, it was like losing your shit. If you're too heated, take a breath. There's very few things in life that you have to do right then. You have to approach right then. The only time you really have to do like immediate reactionary stuff is when kids are really small because they just don't have like the short term memory. But once kids get older, obviously by Max's age,you can let them sweat it while you figure out what you're going to do. And I think we can.

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