I would probably say you have learned a lot from A website called copy hackers. I think the other thing was working at the The agency's less startup taught me a lot about user experience because I When we were transitioning especially to usability testing startup, I probably watched I don't know a thousand user tests Of like people using websites. That kind of gave me an intuitive Knowledge of how people use a website and how to look at a website myself to Understand what's wrong even though I I haven't done the the research beforehand. So there's just so much and I think copywriting is one of those things that It seems like a benign thing that just like it's a profession, but I don