You've Done This Too, Haven't You?

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Sally Kohn: I've done this quite a few different times, but I love that example with Sherman because he was at a point in time where he wanted to leave the organization. She says she joined up with Sherm and went to the local chapter; it's a volunteer organization. And then over the course of the next year they got to know many people in a huge number of organizations around the area. Kohn: It allowed me to have these small conversations to learn about what their roles were like,.What their organizations were like, and assess that against what I thought I wanted. Well, at the same time, just building really wonderful, fun, organic relationships just by helping

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