" protocol and etiquette freaks me out because there are so many tiny, quiet ways to fail," he says. "So you either have to go all in and read Miss Manner's or just screw it and always be the social equivalent of a rhino with diarrhea ... which I sometimes fear I am." He also keeps LaTisha Baldridge as well; she was the protocol officer at the White House for over two decades.

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