For me, it's the most difficult part of the podcast is attracting more listeners at this point. And I'm overcoming it by realizing that some part of it is in my control. RZ: What was the mindset slash process of making meditation a habit? For me, it was looking at my friend, Tejdosa, episode one of the podcast and also one of if not the most recurring guests on the show. It was just a process of looking at somebody that I admired and figuring out what attributes that they had as well.

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