Is There a Church Growth Movement?

The first time the word growth was said on this pod casts, 99 atof pastors thought about the size of their church. But you can manage a programme that grows, but still be dis functional and have a horrible home life. Why do people focus on external growth? It's easy. We don't have to look inside for t a and i. So it's easier im i think a lot of pastors are insecure, and they fight that in security. The second thing i would say is, phil, there's a paradime that we miss, that that personal growth is not personal. When you invest in becoming more like jesus, when you investment in becoming a more compassionate and