Vegan + bacon: a flexible goal-setting philosophy

Jessie introduces 'vegan plus bacon' and the hosts apply it to goals, perfectionism and adaptive habits.

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You probably should be burping your house: every morning, every evening and whenever you get the urge throughout the day, tbh. Jessie Stephens explains to Emily Vernem and Holly Wainwright why not doing that is… a lil bit gross.

And while we’re hygiene-sharing, Em has a question for the group: How many pairs of underwear do you take if you are going away for a weekend? Holly thought she knew the answer to this question, but she’s definitely wrong.

Also, how many risks are parents allowed to take? We’re talking about Alex Honnold and Sanni McCandless - the man who just climbed a skyscraper with no ropes, net or parachute, and the mother of his little kids who watched him do it. Is it okay to just… carry on regardless with your passions, however isolating or deadly they are, once you have kids?

Plus: Be more “vegan + bacon”. Why that’s not an oxymoron, but a philosophy to live by in 2026.

Oh, and recommendations. Which this week include:

Emily’s underwear edit - including Nala (the sexiest Aussie pants) and many more.

Holly’s enthusiasm for Oscar-nommed Marty Supreme, in cinemas now, and a high-brow discussion about Timothée's bottom.

And Jessie is watching The Pitt, Season Two, on HBO Max.

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CREDITS:

Hosts: Emily Vernem, Jessie Stephens & Holly Wainwright

Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine

Executive Producer: Sasha Tannock

Audio Producer: Leah Porges

Video Producer: Josh Green