I had the great honor of writing a book with legendary psychiatrist Phil Stutz. Now that True and False Magic is out, I got to ask him about some of the concepts that have remained on my mind: the lie of certainty, the purpose of creativity, why some of the hardest parts of life are also what makes it compelling and fun, and why he believes I should be 10 percent more evil (and maybe you should, too).

For our book, more of Phil Stutz’s work (including The Tools and Coming Alive), the documentary Stutz, and the rest of the show notes, head over to my Substack.

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