Persecution, closed doors, and shipboard vows—our journey starts where power tried to silence conscience and ends with a small band drafting a covenant that rewired how authority works. We sit down with Bill Federer to map the Pilgrims’ path from England’s star chamber to the rocky shore where consent became the basis for order. Along the way, we explore how the Reformation, censorship laws, and the flight to Holland set the stage for a bold experiment that would echo through New England town meetings and, eventually, into the American idea.

What unfolds is a grounded, vivid look at the Mayflower Compact as more than a paragraph in a textbook. It was a civic translation of church covenant—neighbors choosing obligation, accountability, and shared rule. We unpack why Romans 13 reads differently under a king than under a republic, and why citizens must see themselves as co-sovereigns with duties as real as their rights. We also take on Thanksgiving myths with the fuller story of Squanto—kidnapped to Europe, freed by monks, fluent in English—whose help, along with Massasoit’s alliance, anchored a decades-long peace. The first Thanksgiving looks less like legend and more like gratitude under pressure, with prayer, games, and shared meat binding two communities.

We go deeper into Bradford’s pivot from failing communal rules to private property, the leap in harvests that followed, and the way pastors helped found cities where worship and civic life overlapped. There’s drama too: trade seized by corsairs, risky diplomacy, and marriages that put Pilgrim leaders at odds with crown law. Through it all runs a clear theme—freedom of conscience, consent of the governed, and the steady work of self-government. If you care about the real roots of Thanksgiving, religious liberty, and how citizens become the “kings” in a republic, this conversation will sharpen your view and strengthen your gratitude.

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