Maria Anderson: I echo what you said about the Ezra Klein and particularly on the topic of AI but he is I find him to be the best person for a view that is contrary to ones that I hold without the both sides ism. And thank you for this recommendation to buy less stuff as well. Bonnie Stahoviak: Thanks once again to Dr. Maria Anderson for joining me for this conversation for teaching in higher ed. If you have yet to subscribe to the weekly emails that will arrive with the most recent episodes show notes as well as some other things that don't show up, head over to teachinginhighered.com slash subscribeand you can begin receiving those.