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360: If You Ever Caught A Fighter Pilot In A Defensive Mood, You'd Have Him Licked Before You Started Shooting. With Navy Fighter Pilot Tom Kopel
Jocko Podcast
The Legacy of Pilots and Seals
"I got to learn that firsthand working with Jocko. He was not well thought of, mostly by the younger guys who are arrows in the fleet squadron." "You worked for a Frogman and got to see what real good leadership looks like"
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