Before your PhD you weren't actually winter swimming yourself, is that right? That is right. So without that history of doing this practice yourself, what was it that led you to pursue your PhD in metabolism and then focus on brown fat and winter swimming? Yeah, so it's a really good question. I wasn't a winter swimmer when I started my research in brown fat and in winter swimmers and sauna bethers. But we have like a very good culture for going winter swimming and Denmark, that is something that I also write about because I think it's important, it's an important part. This understanding this whole culture is something you probably can't unless you try it

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