Jeff Schwabber is the CEO of Blue Rock Capital Markets he joins us on zoom from Newport Beach California. It's been a tale of two cities we had a little bit of a draw down and necessary correction in real estate as the Fed went into a really aggressive hawkish cycle but it was really expected if you look at institutional real estate the average cap rate is probably around 4% and the riskless rate 10 year treasuries were hovering at one or two for years and years. So that's occurred and we're really setting up for a nice little bullish scenario here we believe.

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