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Dr Phyllis Gardner, Stanford professor and Theranos critic: "I'll only really feel good if she's convicted"

The Times Tech Podcast

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What Do You Think of Elizabeth Holmes?

Sam non: I think she's a sociopathic liar and a narcissis. She just led these men on, and she had a charm. Here she is at stanford with these ideas, yes? And then she she goes to you as one of,. like, the best resources on campus to do something like this. You say, this isn't going to work. Then she kind of disappears, drops out, and then pops up with their nose. sam non: How does this happen? How does so many people get drawn into the same spell?

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