Ryan: I raved about Steve Ronella's book Outdoor Kids in an Inside World a couple days ago. We're heading to the beach, some slightly warmer weather and we're going to spend a lot of time outdoors doing stuff. In today's episode I'm going to grab some thoughts from my interview with Steve which I think you'll really like. Ryan: How to be a pragmatic parent and also take chances that habits we inherit from our parents are bad for kids.