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356 - UNLOCKED - Things Fell Apart: A Conversation with Jon Ronson

The Fifth Column

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The Shaming Elements of the Culture War Show

I just thought, what Stali told me though, I just thought it was hilarious. And because Sabin Pupopty Shamed was in danger of being too bleak or depressing or stressful to read, you know, when there's an opportunity for a joke. That is amazing book banned in Phoenix for that reference, which sounds like a joke. So but this is a theme, obviously, in your recent work. What is it that brings you maybe at the stage in your life or after like why now that you are focused so much? You've been publicly shamed.

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