With Zulip, you had the product and you're like, who wants this? I feel like with Pyla from what I know about the story, you did it quite differently in terms of like how you came up with the idea and validated the idea. Can we talk about that? Yeah. So again, back on a couch thinking about what problems we wanted to solve it. Frankly, what business problems we want to solve were not consumer people. And so we surveyed finance and accounting teams, legal teams, HR teams in a bunch of SMBs,. Like early stage startups, mid market companies; those themes happened to drive with what our experience had been at Case Place.

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