I've always liked silence but I think that again as as these things deepened um I used to whenever I was like in my 20s specifically and also in my early 30s as well. It's like a uh needing some type of sense of control over the situation so if you're the funny one that's talking shit or else or like trying to throw weird theories at people it gives you a sense of safety because there's no chance of getting into anything emotional, he says.

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