Tim Ferrissas podcast was like a really nice way to kick things off and now that I've done a bunch of television interviews Podcasts are just infinitely More comfortable for me. Some people they don't want to get trapped in some long-term conversation They'd have to remember what they just said and formulate thoughts fresh on them on the spot on the moment Whereas because the tv people that are doing tv interviews They they're not formulating thoughts at that moment. Now it's like there's a lot more to it for sure but back then it was like oh these are just guys cruising down in their basement or some cool room That they're just basically what we all sort of do anyway and