Spiritual abuse tends to manifest in very similar ways to ptsd. The avoidance behaviors, the triggering Uh avoiding certain people spaces or concepts Intrusive thoughts sometimes there's nightmares basically all those classic symptoms of trauma. It does kind of rise to that level and there is some other evidence I can find if you want about why it might be Or just kind of kind of proving that point that it is that powerful But we don't have to get in the weeds if we don't need to Yeah And how long I mean What have you found as how long the ramifications go? Dan coke: We're just dealing with the levers on these really important deep Values and trajectories of life.

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