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The Roman Empire
Rome is the paradigm of all this, and I'm now going to spend just a few minutes reviewing some of the things that we know about the first 1000 years of this class. So the Roman Empire, we did all this. Does it fall? Does it not fall? It depends on your point of view. From an East European point of view, of course, Rome doesn't fall. And then even the people who want to restore the republic are doing so because of some kind of commitment to ideals - which is also very familiar from history. That's an argument which is also 2000 years old at the very least.