I think the entire spectrum would be all the way from hypothesizing through to selling a product or something like that but you're still doing these significant chunks that are more than expected in these domains which I think is really cool. It seems like you're doing more of the steps than is traditionally thought of as being part of academia and you're also doing it for outside of academia. Even developing the skill set to do what I can do at the relatively modest level I can do it has been challenging and is unusual. And so I completely relate to now wanting to go there.

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