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After Ukraine: Into the Age of Anarchy

This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

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How Do We Get Out of This Spirale?

The war in Ukraine has crystallized for many policymakers as well as their constituents that just as say the mid 20th century was a struggle of ideas between the capitalist or liberal socialist world and the communist and planned economies. The 21st century may be a struggle for ideas between the democratic world and the non-democratic world, says CNN's John Defterios. "They want to make the world safe for autocracies where they can oppress their own populations"

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