Answering the Call: Why Jack Joined the SEALs

Early in my self-development days, I would only consume non-fiction, self-help books. It seemed to be doing the trick but I became more consumed with the amount of books I read at the expense of actually improving my life. Then a friend encouraged me to read fiction every once in a while. Shortly thereafter, my friend Jack Carr, released his first book, Terminal List – which I devoured.

And, Jack Carr is back with me again to talk about his newest book, Cry Havoc. But we talk a whole lot more than just the book. We cover how best to cultivate a new skill set (be it writing or something else), the importance of exercising the brain, making yourself better through wisdom, worrying about only what you can control, and the value of fictional work on your self-development journey.

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS 00:00 - Catching up with Jack Carr and reflecting on The Terminal List beginnings 01:23 - How publishing has changed and the modern author’s battlefield 05:21 - Gratitude, readers, and using social media for good 09:21 - Why Jack identifies first and foremost as an author 10:49 - Reading as a foundation: how fiction shaped Jack’s life 14:28 - Reading for joy versus studying the craft 18:13 - Military service as a calling before writing 21:46 - Why fiction develops empathy and frees the mind 25:51 - Audiobooks as a “gateway drug” back to reading 26:48 - Fiction versus visual media and the power of imagination 30:10 - Writing for the screen vs. writing for the page 31:02 - The art of storytelling and how Jack builds his novels 33:10 - How to write a better book (and why Jack ignores trends) 40:09 - Creative freedom, editors, and Hollywood contrasts 43:37 - Historical accuracy and the making of Cry Havoc 47:28 - Jack’s take on AI and creativity 48:53 - Authentic connection with readers and fans 52:00 - Sharing the author’s journey in the digital age 54:03 - The discipline of long-form creation and interruptions 58:23 - What’s next: research trips, nonfiction, and new directions 59:38 - Launching Cry Havoc and closing reflections

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