How to Be an Engineer

Nick Gillespie: I'm glad to share this episode with you. Steve was on my list to interview years and years ago and I just never got around to it. You know, he's an old retired cop who has always been into dogs. He used to walk his dog in New York City back in the 70s, 60s and 70s. People started paying him to walk their dogs. They'd be busy. They said, could you swing by and get our dog? And I do it. On the side for, oh, since the mid 90s, I've had a consultancy. All species animal behavior stuff, but mostly dogs. It's exclusively working dogs.