The Fifth Amendment and Mark Meadows

There's no way he's going into the grand jury and not serving the Fifth Amendment at this point. I mean, he just has too much potential liability in my view. And probably somebody who kind of through various other factors, kind of the push pull got involved in it. He didn't have the intent to start out to be part of that. It's first job, first job out of college. So again, not that it means it's right.