The Fourth Way

Emma: I was reminded, as we, i believe, spoke about in our previous conversation on this podcast, that you have a background in christan mysticism. But i think you're, you're er right to point out that people separate themselves mentally from that. And that's a habit of the western mind set that has had these terrible consequences for for the bodies of animals, the bodies of e plants, and the bodies, more generally, of the earth itself.