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Nord v p n is now a global company with over a thousand employees world wide. They're used by an astonishing 15 million people. The co founder and c e o's name is tom oakman. Tom has been listening to the show for years. And we were just like floord that tom reached out wanted o spone to the show. This whole story, the company, the power, all of it so interesting because it really does raise this question of value chain.