secularism and empiricism are all core tenets of humanism in the modern era but when you start 700 years ago to be an atheist or a secularist is a pretty strong position. It's almost never taken, I mean if it is sometimes there have been things that have been found in the Inquisition records by scholars finding people who actually just come right out and say I don't believe there's a God. That doesn't preserve very well in the sort of high culture of or you know most of the records. Really you won't find people saying that, you probably won'tfind people believing it."

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