EP 72: Jaan Tallinn (Co-Founder, Skype) on Lessons from Skype, Giving SBF $100M & Investing in AI
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Jaan Tallinn is the Co-Founder of Skype and one of the most prominent voices in AI safety. After co-founding Skype he begun to delve into the world of AI safety and strongly holds the position that humans can not motivate AI and that action must be taken. Jaan initiated the 6-month pause on AI that was co-signed by Elon Musk. Nonetheless he's invested in some of the most influential AI companies like DeepMind and Anthropic.
On this episode he shares why he invests in AI despite his views on safety, the insights he gained from founding Skype and his first impression meeting SBF in the Bahamas.
(0:00) Intro
(0:54) Jaan's journey with crypto
(2:49) Investing in SBF
(8:08) Entrepreneurial journey to Skype
(15:11) Skype's immediate rise to popularity and mistakes along the way
(22:15) Meeting Eliezer Yudkowsky
(25:11) The Center for Existential Risk in the Future of Life Institute
(31:05) Having a seat at the table by investing in artificial intelligence
(37:24) Having an entrepreneur say no to you
(41:59) The process of the DeepMind sale and the ethics board
(45:58) The risk of artificial intelligence today
(1:04:43) What was that unnerving about GPT four versus GPT three?
(1:07:02) Jaan's memo on AI safety
(1:16:00) What percentage likelihood do you think we're on a path to extinction?
(1:22:18) What's a piece of conventional wisdom around startups or investing that you disagree with today?
Mixed and edited: Justin Hrabovsky
Produced: Rashad Assir
Executive Producer: Josh Machiz
Music: Griff Lawson
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