In this episode Caroline and Liz have the evidence from Dr Ravi Jayaram. He accepted that he should have done more sooner to stop Lucy Letby from harming babies. He said he should have been braver and more courageous in speaking up, but he said his concerns initially seemed "outlandish".
He also told the Thirlwall Inquiry that after Lucy Letby was eventually moved off the ward she told him she'd be back "whether he liked it or not."
And he said the recommendations from the inquiry into Beverley Allitt's crimes should be embedded in all medical safeguarding training.
Presenters: Caroline Cheetham and Liz Hull
Editor: Chelsey Moore
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Production Manager: Vittoria Cecchini
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