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CNLP 546 | Mark Sayers on Future Cultural Disruption, The Church in Ten years, The Overton Window and How to Cultivate a Non-Anxious Presence The Midst of It All

The Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast

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What's the Grey Zone?

This is the first time we've talked about your new book since it's been out. You have so much insight into what's going on, but also to distilling it in a way that I think really helps us figure out what to do in the midst of it. Can you describe what the Grey Zone is and what does it mean for leaders leading through it right now? Mm. In some ways, what we've been talking about is the Grey Zone. And I wanted a term to capture not just what was happening intellectually, but also the feeling of what it is to lead and live in this moment.

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