I think there's something particularly deep about the sense of rejection or being on the outside that people feel after they have experienced the feeling of having been scammed. The weaponization of the fear of being a sucker is one of the reasons that I wrote this book to begin with, because I was really worried about the kinds of rhetoric that I was seeing at a personal level and also at a political level. This can be sort of pushed, this little button can be pushed in all kinds of ways, you know, sort of in political messaging.

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