Welcome to After Pulse, the extra podcast from the hosts of the community pulse. Let's hear what your hosts are talking about in this episode. Wesley,

that was a fantastic episode. I had a lot of fun. That was very fun. Yeah. I think that maybe we should focus on getting people who know each other more often because I feel like the three of them. And Yark didn't actually know PJ and Aaron, but like, it's almost like they just bonded immediately. Maybe it's like the big recession, big layoff, shared trauma situation where they're like, okay, we all get

each other. All in the same boat. Shared trauma is a thing that kind of bonds us together. Yeah.

It's strange that that's true, but it's definitely true. Yes.

I thought the point that they brought up was really good from different perspectives as well. And it's just so interesting that I know we're talking about DevRel. I know it's other things and other people going through this as well. But I also think it's also very encouraging and uplifting about how quickly they bounce back in terms of going through this and the whole cycle is complete. To me, it felt very cathartic and

very like it kind of completed the circle. Well, it gives hope as well because I think there's a lot of people that we could have done this episode in a very negative way like, oh, the world is bleak and DevRel is falling apart and everything's going to shit. And we could have done that. I mean, we could have, but we didn't because in reality, there's always like hope on the horizon. We could put hope on the horizon. And I think all three of them kind of said that like, listen, people will wake up and realize that they still need DevRel. It's still something that has to happen. This isn't all, it's not sun shines and rainbows, but it's also not stormy skies and lightning. It's going to be okay per severe. And I think that one of the keys to that was Erin talking about her own journey and how like she got laid off and she was like, you know what, I'm going to take a break because if I just go at it again, I'm going to burn out and maybe I already am burned out. So let me take a little break and jump back into it. And I think that kind of self realization is important.