Some people have argued it's a silly debate because let's, if the intentions are what create the meaning that of the work, then all you need is the work. And to which people have said, well, what if he's an incompetent communicator of his intentions? So we can be kind of yeah, and two artists who are two actors who are so good at camp is a style of acting made it into something that John Wu never meant it to be. I do think that our interpretation like not to get hung up on meaning, but just say, well, however you interpret,. Like even at a concrete level, interpret what's going on!