There's a couple of questions that come up on this show over and over again. And i'm particularly intrigued by them, or i wrestle with them. How do you find the middle ground between those two areas? I think that any training in motulness is precisely that. We sometimes call modfulness the place in the middle. And its practice. We practice and practice and practice. You never havy thinking of mindfulness is this kind of magical quality that some people have and other people don't.

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