What we need more of, which i had a lot of interesting amples in in the interviews that i spoke with for the book, is examples of transformational leadership. So this is more of e a kind of a flatter, hierarchy type of model tit's more collaborative. And it's where, for instance, instead of shouting commands at people, i like to think of it as an orchestra with a conductor who's very attuned to what the people within the orchestra needs to do in order to flourish as a group.

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